New or Old Wingsland S6 ?

Intresting….

Just before Christmas 2018 and because I blew up the esc board on one of my S6’s, I see that Banggood had the S6 back in stock.

They sold all there stock and once I see they had some more back in , I got another one.

It has sat in box as I wanted this to be a spare so I could carry on modding and experimenting with another one of mine promoted to test unit.

A fellow S6 user I have showed me photos of his S6 and it was different inside!

There was a module missing on top of the board. why???

I have just taken the bottom plastic sensor cover off mine and hey presto, I also have this model with out the module and gray antenna cable.

First photo is of my first 2 Wingsland Advanced S6 units and I have drawn a red arrow to show the antenna and module.

In photo below, this is the recent Wingsland Advanced S6 I got from Banggood.

As you can see it does not have the module or antenna cable!

Also more differences.

The motors are not plugged in on top of esc pcb, looks like now underneath and also power for wifi board looks to be coming directly from esc pcb.

Going to have to do a full teardown of this unit me thinks, as this model looks very much like the prototype photos that were submitted for the FCC regulations.

 

This also suggests that these quadcopters are still being manufactured  or just using old tooling to remake them or even just old stock/parts ?

Based on my recent comparison teardown of a R6 with metal thumbscrews

I am thinking this original module was a 5.8ghz video tx/rx that was never used or enabled? And may have been for sending video via 5.8ghz to googles/monitor etc???

And as never implemented, its now been removed to save weight and maybe a tad better battery life?

Begs the question , if these are in fact still being manufactured then why not update the firmware and app?  (Unless they are just being remade or using old stock parts etc)

I heard on the web that people had suggested Wingsland had abandoned the S6 , maybe not ???

Could the S6 raise from the ashes like a Phoenix at this new price point?

If Wingsland could tweak the firmware and get the sensors to work and release a extended battery option to purchase, I would say yes.

At the moment at the price the S6 is now selling for, if they done the above features there is not at present anything that looks as good or built as well in the current price point.

Also please fix the ios app, it does not show the wifi strength signal like the Android versions do.

What about it Wingsland???

Or…. Is this just a third party in Shenzhen China carrying on production of these? (Which now I have taken mine part a bit more, I am more likely to think this, especially as this last one I got from Banggood is all in Chinese Docs and no plastic case supplied)

 

 

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Wingsland R6 Different versions

Recently I got hold of another Wingsland R6 controller.

First off as I wanted to grab a dump of the firmware inside, as my other R6 controller had firmware that I had cobbled together and therefore getting a working one at some stage was ideal.

This one has the metal thumbsticks

Now I was going to take this apart as firstly I wanted a complete firmware dump from the flash chip on the wifi board and also the left hand gimbal was sticking a bit.

Now once I had this apart this was a intresting item

Inside the R6 with metal thumbscrews , under the wifi board was another small board with what I assume if a booster/amp for the video feed.

There is a extra antenna cable in here to next to the left stick on left of photo.

If you look at the photo below of the board from the R6 with plastic thumbscrews you will see there is no board or grey antenna wires top left. Just a empty space.

* This is intresting , and as the R6 was first out and sold with the Wingsland M5, I am going to presume the extra board and antenna was to enable further video range on the M5.

*And I assume that when they made these for the R6, because of short flight time and distance the extra booster/amp was not needed for the R6 and they removed it and changed thumbsticks to plastic to save costs.

*Intresting question I hear people ask now…. Does this mean the R6 with metal thumbsticks has better video range with the S6? Can’t answer that yet as need to test both once weather gets better. And also maybe the S6 phone app does not take any advantage of it a anyway and still gets its video feed direct from quad.

*Normally with R6, the 2.4ghz controls the S6 and the 5ghz S6 video feed is sent to the phone.

*Update to info above:

I jumped totally to wrong conclusion!

The R6 does in fact NOT use 5ghz for video feed. It just uses the 2.4GHZ for control and video.

There is what I think a 5.8ghz video tx/rx module on the R6 that is there on some models, which was I guess a planned feature that was in fact never used and maybe the module was there for some other non released Wingsland quadcopter or a planned addon.

So this means there is in fact no difference to which R6 you get, both should work the same range wise for control and video reception, I guess maybe the plastic version might get slighty longer battery time?? because it is not powering a un-used 5.8ghz module in it.

There might be more to all this, I need to carry about some testing and will update if needed.

Also note: Both models using different versions of firmware.

The one with metal thumbsticks uses OpenWRT with root access, you can browse to 192.168.1.1 on this model and login OpenWRT with root and password = 123

The Plastic thumbsticks R6 uses a later version of OpenWRT and root password is NOT 123. and also the web interface been removed. But also cant access telenet etc on the newer firmware, as have no idea what wingsland set password to.

Update: Binding to S6

Now this explains why some have had issues connecting the R6 to a S6.

As it seems there are 2 ways of binding the R6 depending on what version of R6 firmware you have! Might have to do a write up on this……

 

Right onwards to removing wifi flash chip and reading out firmware and fixing the sticky gimbal……

 

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Wingsland S6 Cracks in Fairy Drone spacers

Just a warning out there to watch out for cracks, when using fairy drone props and spacers.

The spacers are plastic and they are not a 100% fit as they seem a couple thou smaller in the spacing.

This means the legs of the plastic spacers gets squashed in a bit. You can tell this when one or more of the props do not move freely. Also because of this one or more of the props also wont be as balanced.

I think a better solution to this is to use the original Wingsland metal spacers and find some collets that fit the original screws , so the fairy drone props fit that way.

Because by the looks of it these plastic spacers are going to fracture under the stress, and will be a big problem if in the air when these give up the ghost.

Also as these spacers are plastic and the tolerances in manufacture , some might fit better than others?

 

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Wingsland S6 scene still alive?

Spent many a hour playing with my S6 and taking it apart , modding and fixing it.

Prob spent more time on this than any other quad to be honest.

Even with all the issues these have , I still enjoy this one.

I have no idea whether Wingsland is still making these or a 3rd party in china knocking them out or its just old stock left that is being sold online.

Bangood sold all they had and then just before Christmas last year they got another 50 back in stock.

One does wonder where they are all getting them from and Aliexpress seems to have loads of stock, but cheaper to buy from Banggood normally as now and then they do offers on them.

But there must now surely be many thousands of these out there, and surely that proves there is a market for this size of quadcopter at the price level they are now set.

Now to make it worthwhile , one really needs to buy the R6 controller and have at least 3 batteries.

So yes this does push up the price a fair bit.

But as many said and I get a lot of emails about this , is it worth buying??

As always I say this, if you buy one of these and can accept these points:-

Flight time and I mean by flight time the actual time from take off to landing at 0% will be between 5-6 mins normally. Sometimes a tad higher and sometimes a lot lower if weather is cold. Many claim much higher flight times, but normally they going by the recording time and thats always lower, as most hit record and wait for sat lock etc before lifting off.

No real stabilization, it has a few modes where it can be turned on but its not worth using to be honest. Better to either flim on a dead calm no wind day or for slight shaking do some post edting for sorting out the jello etc.

The bottom sonar and optical postion hold DO NOT WORK, they have been disabled on all versions.

Because of the above point , you can not fly indoors! Also because of no sonar this jumps about 8-10 feet at take off and will hit any low ceiling! I know this as I tried this on my first S6 and it hit the ceiling and then veered off into the wall and broke it’s props.

If you have access to a very big room with high ceilings you might be okay, especially if your craft does not get any kind of gps coverage, as someone told me that they were told by Wingsland if you block off craft from getting gps, it will work better indoors. Even indoors mine gets a few gps sats, so that is prob why mine went shooting to stars indoors. My advice be safe and test outdoors first. ( also some other advice , when testing out in say back yard tether the craft with a bit of string, so if it does go out of control it wont be heading back to china. Trust me this has saved me more than once! I think it may be due to interference from other wifi. This uses both 2.4GHZ band for the craft control and the 5GHZ band for the video.

The app and firmware are no longer supported by Wingsland , there has been no firmware updates since November 2017. I have read that in fact Wingsland have abandoned this quad, so no real support unless you live in the USA, where they still have offices.

For the rest of us, we are on our own.

The batteries are non smart ones, inside the battery is just 2 LiHv cells.

This in my view makes these batteries too expensive for what they are.

But a plus of that is because of no smart pcb inside , you can replace the cells if you know what you are doing!!! This will come into play once there are no batteries avaible to buy anymore.

The craft range using a phone is very small, especially if like me you live in Europe.

The rules here are for much lower wifi power than the rest of the world 🙁

Good points:-

Looks very cool, the packaging (especially the ones that come with the plastic carry case ) is the best I have seen. Wingsland got the presentation spot on with this. Although this was probably originally done as it was a premium product at launch. The price reflected this at the time.

Has a really great camera, on a dead calm no wind day these take really first class photos and video.

It folds up to a really small carry size, and makes taking places a lot easier.

Has great hardware and build quality (bearing in mind bottom sensors disabled and dont work)

Using gps and glonass , it gets a fast lock and in no wind holds postion really well, and holds altitude well in NO WIND (any kind of breeze and it will vary a lot up and down)

 

So if there are any other points that spring to mind will edit this……

 

So to recap, for what I wanted this for it fits the bill at current prices.

For sure do not expect this to be rock solid like a DJI spark. Its no where near as good.

BUT…. This now costs a 3rd of a price of a dji spark.

This is not really a beginners quadcopter, because it needs a lot of pateince and tweaking to get most from it.

If Wingsland had fixed the bottom sensors and updated the app and also provide some kind of extended battery to buy, they would in my view had a winner in this class.

Its such a shame they gave up on it, with a few updates on firmware and app this would have been pretty special.

My own goal was to get this to a true 10mins flight time and it would be perfect for what I wanted it for.

With different props and the different battery I modded in, I am pretty sure I have this now, just waiting for some calm warmer weather to test.

There are other quads in this price range thesedays, like for example the Simtoo xt175 fairy drone. Even that has a working postion flow and around same price with a controller as the S6 on its own, and also from reviws I have seen has a poor range and incomplete software too.

But….. Its not made anywhere as good build quality, and its camera is not that good.

And of course a Zerotech dobby is around same size, flys longer on a smaller battery and has working optical flow and sonar and working eis, but that craft is double or more than a S6 and Zerotech dont make a dedicated controllker for it.

There are rumours DJI will bring out a smaller version of the Spark this year that folds up and that may be another option in the future, but for sure will be expensive I guess.

I expect more small size quadcopter this year and so the S6 might soon be buried , but there are a lot out there who bought these and especially at the now dicount prices, so expect it to be around for a while yet.

Happy safe flying all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wingsland S6 repaired

My Original S6 that I blew up the esc board is now fixed, just waiting for decent weather to test. Sadly I was unable to fix the esc board I blew up, besides replacing all the 12 mosfets that had blown along with a few resistors, sadly only the rear motors worked. This was due to one of the DJI ESC1000 chips having a short on it, and I cant source these chips anywhere. Its a pity Wingsland or some other dealer cant supply parts like this. So what I have done for now is remove the esc board from a new spare S6 I have. This was easier than say using the new spare S6 I had and having to drill holes and cut away a bit of plastic and also grind down a bit inside to take bigger lipos. I hope at some stage in the future to get hold of maybe a crashed or smashed S6 and replace the esc board that way.
Transplant complete , with new one in background with now no esc board. Just need to solder on a connector for the external lipo lead and solder motor wires back on. As the 2 front motor plugs had started to melt.
All back together now and tested that app connects and motors spin up okay before I fit back props and back to testing different lipos and props.
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